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Well the bed sore is no longer a nickle size. We talked to hospice from the facility and they explained it was a Kennedy Terminal ulcer

Kennedy Terminal Ulcer: the "Ah-Ha!" Moment and Diagnosis
Authors
Joy E. Schank
Keywords
Pressure Ulcerend-of-life careKennedy Terminal Ulcer
Issue: Volume 55 - Issue 9 - September, 2009

Abstract
The Kennedy Terminal Ulcer is an unavoidable skin breakdown or skin failure that occurs as part of the dying process. Research is limited but the literature suggests that Kennedy Terminal Ulcers are typically pear-shaped, red/yellow/black, similar in appearance to an abrasion, and tend to occur suddenly in the sacral/coccygeal region not long before death. In this case study, one resident of a long-term care facility suddenly developed a full-thickness ulcer. The ulcer did not respond to treatment and the resident died 6 weeks following ulcer development. Another resident, admitted with a full-thickness ulcer, also did not respond to standard measures of care and general skin failure was observed. She died after 5 months. Research about end-of-life phenomena such as skin failure is needed to help clinicians, caregivers, and patients understand what is occurring and facilitate the provision of optimal and appropriate end-of-life care. 

Hospice is pretty matter of fact about this.
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So I clarified today. The hospice nurse was talking to me from inside her closet. I was talking from inside my bathroom. From national news, you must know Oklahoma besieged by tornadoes. We all need a nap.

Communication got sketchy. Faded out.

Yes it dries up everything. The scop.
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Scopolamine is scopolamine is scopolamine. If she's being given scopolamine, they are trying to control the secretion of saliva, which helps with what's called the "death rattle" that can be distressing for those keeping vigil at the bedside. Scopolamine also slows gut motility and reduces secretion of irritating stomach acids. It prevents vomiting. At end of life all those things are good to keep her comfortable.

Mottled skin means her extremities are probably cold to the touch. Keep her warm both physically and emotionally, Seg. Her end is near. Peace.
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Oh Segoline, her end is near.

This is exactly what my mom’s hospice nurse told me.
I lived 4 hours away. Mom’s hospice nurse called me @ 8am to let me know that the nurse thought her time was near because her lower extremities began to mottle. I was there by 3pm; she passed 12 hours later @ 3am.

While I know this is hard, I am hoping you have made arrangements for her to be transported to a funeral home. We had mom’s funeral pre paid.

Spend these last days speaking to her, tell her you love her and that it is ok to go. I did on my mother’s last day, and thanked her for being the wonderful mother she was.

There is something divine about the dying process. For me it felt like a connection to the universe or to God if you believe. Some deaths are not as peaceful; thank heavens you and your family made the decision to bring in hospice to provide your mother with a peaceful death.

Those days were hard, seeing my mother failing, knowing death was imminent. I myself felt relieved when my mother had passed - her suffering was over. She was with my dad and all her brothers & sisters (she was one of 11). She was whole again.

My Mom was in a room by herself at the end. The NH staff let me stay with her & just kept her door shut. Don’t be surprised if your mother passes when you stepped out or fell asleep. My mom passed while I was asleep in the empty bed next to her. I fell asleep listening to her labored breathing (not gasping, just agonal breaths). I woke up immediately when that noise ceased, looked over and she was gone. She chose when to go and didn’t want me to see it.

My thoughts and prayers are with you today.
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I'm sorry you are going through this, it is so hard, but the most loving thing you can do, your being there with your Mom as she transitions to the next life. I've been in your shoes 4 time now, seeing all 4 of our parents til the end, and I am So glad you are happy with your Hospice team! We had Great Hospice support with 2 of our parents too, and it made things so much better for everyone.

The end stages can go on for a bit, so be sure to rely on the Nurses if you have any questions as they are phenomenal at what they do. I hope you are getting some rest, and are taking advantage of others offerings of their time, running errands and food stuff, your being able to get out for an hour or 2 now and then is so important for your own health. Hospice can get you a volunteer to sit with your Mom so you can get a little ME time once and a while, as it is exhausting work caring for your LO at this stage.

Again, I am So sorry, I am sure that it is her time to go, it is difficult when you are agonizing over the long goodbye. I pray that your Mom is pain free and is resting peacefully. Remember to take care of yourself! HUGS!
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You're good barb. No harm. No foul. Thank you
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Sego; I don't doubt that your hospice folks know what they're doing (I'm just an inveterate corrector and goody two shoes and generally annoying person--my brother will tell you that).

Be well and be strong, my friend. (((((hugs))))))
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Thank you.
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Ok so for educational purposes in end stage. The skin gets mottled due to lack of blood flow. It is not painful. The skin may feel cool to touch.

The scopolomine formulated for end stage dementia is not same, for example as that used in treatment of ALS.

There's other stuff thrown in there so they shouldn't call it that, but they do. It is designed to increase secretions and offset death rattle. I wish I did not know this. Alas I do.
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I will tell you something funny. Somewhere, somehow, since she is on comfort meds only now. She actually could have decided, I will show you! And gotten up to prove it.

That part of our family is part mule, frankly. God love her, she is not going out with a whimper.

Although this is kinda black humor, you take it where you find it. Ok mom. You do you. And I am your champion all the way.
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I am so glad you are having a good experience (if you get what I mean) with Hospice.
The emotional support I got was just as important as the support I got for my Husband.
Hold her hand
Tell her you love her but...
Let her know you will be all right.
((Hugs))
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Hugs!

May her passing be peaceful and may The Lord give all of you strength and grieving mercies during this time.
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Actualky barb, this is compounded for a specific purpose in end stage. I questioned it because of.

I want her released from this prison. I want her at peace.
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(((Big hug segoline))). A year ago I was in your shoes & looking for this sort of information so thank you for sharing, I know there others out there looking for this information too. I hope this transition is easy & peaceful for your mom.
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Scopolomine dries up secretions.

I'm so sorry you're going through this; glad hospice is wonderful.
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