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This needs to be said again and everyone should read this, full of reason, kindness and compassion: by 2ndTimothy

Stuckinthemid,

I can relate and understand to what you are feeling, but most of the people that visit this forum aren't going to come close to understanding.

You love your husband, son, and mother --- and want the best for each of them. You have witnessed more negative things as a caregiver in private facilities than you probably care to remember or write about.

I am married too with a family, and I take the lead on caring for my mother -- it's rare that men like me will even provide care for a parent -- especially almost 9 years of care that I am still providing.

I am the breadwinner and fortunate to work from home. My wife understands how I feel about caring for my mother, and she supports my decision to do so, and helps when I am busy on a work project, etc.

As a man of faith, I stand on scriptures such as 1 Timothy 5:3, and my wife is a woman of faith as well, so she is fully supportive. We work together to find balance, make time to vacation, and have our date nights covered with paid help. We make it work.

You stated that you have discussed the care of your mother with your husband, but I would encourage you and your husband to sit down with a marriage counselor and put it all on the table. It is good to have a neutral and unbiased party involved with marital issues.

Ultimately, either direction you go in will be emotionally challenging for you. Don't listen to the majority of people on this site who will attempt to make you feel guilty or wrong as a wife and mother. Do what you can live with for the rest of your life.

I admire the fact that you explained your feelings to your husband on how close you are to your mother, and desires to care for her -- sorry that his position appeared to change over time.

Praying for you to make the best decisions for your entire family.
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MargaretMcKen Feb 2022
I looked up 1 Timothy chapter 5 verse 3, the first time it was cited, on February 6th. It says ‘Honor widows that are widows indeed’. A very short verse, that’s it. It goes on in verse 5 with ‘now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day’. And verse 6 continues ‘But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth’.

I doubt if many of our posters would agree that ‘honor’ depends on being ‘desolate..night and day’. Or that pleasure means that she ‘is dead while she liveth’.

The letter to Timothy is one of Paul’s many letters. Paul never met Jesus in the flesh, wrote nearly half the New Testament, and is well known for verses verging on misogyny (like women not cutting their hair). Do you actually read the Bible? Do you really believe this? Does it help anyone?

PS are you male or female? this post sounds like male, profile sounds like female. I'm not sure that Paul would have approved of gender change, though apparently he did do a DIY circumcision on his servant.
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I haven't been following this post except for reading this particular one. Sounds like your husband had been having a hard time for a while and he's just now letting it show. Only he can really understand his reasoning behind wanting your Mother out of the house. Maybe it's financial, maybe he feels that you spend too much time caring for her needs and not his, maybe he's feeling left out. Maybe he wants out!! It needs to be talked out and soon. Please explore other housing options for your Mother. Maybe look at smaller Board and Care homes that have 3 or 4 seniors living there. A smaller setting might give her more one to one care. She could thrive in a smaller setting versus getting lost in a larger facility. Once that happens, you and your son can visit her often and be the happy family instead of stressed Caregivers. Dementia doesn't get better. Perhaps it's better to protect your son from that dark side.
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BurntCaregiver Feb 2022
cactusflower,

You're one of the few people on this thread that actually makes sense and offers a real solution that could work for the poster and her family.
There are just some threads you can't stop reading. It's like seeing a car accident. No one wants to see it, but you can't look away and this thread is something. It's a ten car pile-up on the highway in blizzard conditions at night and involves a tractor-trailer.
Once the scripture quoting starts that's when you know it's going to get good. I did the AM care for my own 84 year old mother and she's watching the Perry Mason re-runs. I'm watching the fight LOL.
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Oh, and to the person who keeps quoting 1Timothy, it also says this:

 2:9In like manner, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefastness and sobriety; not with braided hair, and gold or pearls or costly raiment; 2:10but (which becometh women professing godliness) through good works. 2:11Let a woman learn in quietness with all subjection. 2:12But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness. 2:13For Adam was first formed, then Eve; 2:14and Adam was not beguiled, but the woman being beguiled hath fallen into transgression.

1stTimothy, the OP clearly isn't even fazed by the prospect of divorce, which is a huge sin that Paul continually harps on. Why then would she be interested in your religious take?
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2ndTimothy Feb 2022
PeggySue2020,

I mentioned one scripture as an example of what me and my beautiful wife and family stand on - one of many scriptures. I am not interested in your baiting and use of scripture to further whatever agenda you have. Set your targets on someone else - like yourself.
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Bravo
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I will be 89 and have seen far too much in this life. One thing I learned the hard way is that once mental issues set in (like in your mother and the elderly) the things they can do and are capable of usually affect everyone around them - to the negative end. That is when, no matter how much you love them, you move them to facility - before they an affect others and destroy them. Just be sure to visit them if you can handle that without emotional harm to yourselves. They are mentally off now - not you - and people deserve peace. This is why there are homes for them - they are no longer "normal" and will never be again.
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I have a suggestion, and it may be an awful one. Neither is willing to budge. So I question how your home is set up - are you all forced to be together under unpleasant circumstances? You may have no choice except to find another home where there are totally separate areas of the house - one for your mother and you to spend time and one for you an your husband and family to spend time. You can' mix oil with water. Living with someone who has dementia is mixing oil and water - it can't be done - and no one should force a mental patient into a normal home. Disaster will strike sooner or later. Don't do it.
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Riley2166 Feb 2022
I was involved in a terrible situation. I was married for 22 years intil my husband passed. In the beginning years his son lived with us and it was sheer hell for many reasons and nothing would solve the problems until he left. The fact was the husband loved and and he loved his son but the marriage would only last if the son left the home - otherwise it would be destroyed. Thank god the son was old enough to leave and the marriage was saved. Sometimes this has to happen when someone has dementia. You make a choice - dementia patient or normal person - and live with the outcome.
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@PeggySue2020
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and everyone else condemning this woman.

stop monopolizing this thread, you have done nothing but come up with theories without any facts about this woman and others, me included. You don't even know her but act like you do.

You bash everyone that has a different opinion from yours. What is your problem. You can't stand it that there are people that are not like you?

You have accused this woman of being a terrible wife and now an irresponsible mother too. You have predicted her doom of a future, rofl. Where do you get these ideas? You found "clues" from the little she has told you? So not only are you experts here but detectives also.

And once and for all, do women all a favor, get out of the stone ages, with your antiquated ideas about the roles of men and women What kind of marriages do you have? No wonder you come on here, it's not to give advise and help, it's to judge, criticize and condemn.

You come from a place of no reasoning. How do I know? The clues.

Go ahead and lash out at me again. Get something that I wrote and twist it to your satisfaction and use it against me. Go on I know you want to have the last word :)
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lealonnie1 Feb 2022
Who are you?
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To the admins, would you consider shutting this thread down to further comments please? Things have gotten uglier & uglier & the OP hasn't been back since the weekend. 133 comments should be enough to answer her original question.
Thanks for considering it.
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Geaton777 Feb 2022
I second that motion.
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