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I Have A Mom Who Is 94 Years Old. And She Has Demande. And Is Hard To Do Things For Her. She Argues With People. And! Tell Me That I'M Wrong. And Don"t Know What I"M Doing. And Use People Like My Brothers To Go Against Me. And! She Act's Like A Little Girl Again. What Do I Do In That Cast.
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AlcyoneSong Jun 2020
Tell your brothers to deal with it then. She likes them better. She's 94, so if they want to ride your case about how you care for mom, they can step up and help out. If they don't want to do that, tell them to put up or shut up. Mom's are moms until they die, some moms are good some are bad, but they are moms. One day you will laugh about this, cry about it, and then grow from it.
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I had to laugh when you said that your mother is completely independent except that you do her shopping, you take her to doctors appointments, you do her finances, you take care of her meds.....So you were joking when you said that she is completely independent? She sounds pretty dependent to me. I would tell her that you understand that she is not happy with the help that you provide, so she has two choices: move into assisted living because she needs a higher level of care or you will help her find someone to do what you’ve been doing. Tell her you’ll give her a couple of days to decide. Then come back in a couple of days. She may realize that you are irreplaceable!
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nitsirk9898 Jun 2020
I know right, independent my butt! Lol...I’m definitely easily manipulated by her. Where she lives is independent living but she is not. I like your advice, thank you!
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Yes, my mom was similar. Not really mean toward me just seemed every time I visited her in AL (2-3times a week) all she did was harp on petty issues. Well, petty to me. Someone was mean to her, a table mate coughed too much, someone's TV was too loud, her clothes didn’t fit, they didn’t do her laundry right, etc.

I realized how much her world had narrowed and that basically she had very little to do to occupy herself. She was used to doing housework, laundry, cooking, etc. So really all she had to do was sit and brood. She was limited by physical and mental declines and no longer able to sew, paint, draw, all her favorite activities.

After a bit I quit trying to solve her issues or try to offer solutions (I’m a fixer). I would just say "that’s terrible, a shame, how sad," whatever seemed to suit the issues. She would often forget it by my next visit. It didn’t really stop her, but I found that frequent, short visits were better for my blood pressure!

Sounds like your mother has made you the whipping boy, blaming you for what is wrong in her life. I suggest you might seek out counseling for yourself to find ways to stand up to your mom and stop her bullying you. It’s often hard for us children to reverse rolls and become the parent. And even harder for the parent to submit to a child's control. Do,some reading on this site about dementia, it can explain a lot about changes in behavior.

The hardest thing I ever did was tell my domineering father that I was not going to be his housekeeper and he would just have to suck it up and allow outside help in the house. He wasn’t happy but finally submitted.
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Understanding the dynamics of your situation may help. First of all she will always be your mother and think of you as 12 years old. She has a fear of losing control of her life so she is depending on you to provide that stability. You mention you do all the shopping, medical appointments, finances, etc. Why? Let her be part of the decision making process by having her "advise" you on what type of groceries to buy even though it may be just bread, milk, and eggs. Apparently she has a unit where she can cook to a limited degree. Have her prepare a meal or snack for you just like she did when you were growing up. Make it her idea. "Mom I am hungry. Can you make your wonderful mac n' cheese you use to make". It might not work the first few times but do not give up. Re-direction is an important part of creating the confidence in your Mom that she can still do certain things. Sit down with her and plan together what activities you may want to do together. This will help deflect the control from you to making her feel more independent. Is it easy? Of course not but if you work at it as a team effort with your Mom things will get better. Good Luck!!!
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nitsirk9898 Jun 2020
This is really good! I will try that approach.

Thank you very much!
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I'm sorry you're going through all this. I would highly recommend you read Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents by Lindsay Gibson. It's on Amazon, it's cheap, it literally changed my life, and it's helped me more than years of therapy.
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nitsirk9898 Jun 2020
Thank you! I will check it out
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My suggestion to you is "What you allow, continues."
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nitsirk9898 Jun 2020
So true! Thank you!
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Ungrateful regardless of condition would mean you would have to accept the unfair treatment in the name of caring. I guess it all depends on how much you care, and it is commendable the dedication shown so far. God Bless You.
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nitsirk9898 Jun 2020
Thank you!
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This has been my mother for decades... I'm the only one that has helped her relentlessly... but, she baits me because she knows I have a good heart... After all these years though, it hasn't been good for my health... we get older too... All this havoc is unbearable ... I can't believe that through all that is happening in this world they don't 'see' the light... and, feel appreciative... I think it's the way they are and they will never ever change... it's by far the hardest thing I have ever had to endure in my life.
Perhaps narcissistic... etc... personality...
Best Wishes
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nitsirk9898 Jun 2020
Definitely narcissism, I remind her that even though she isn’t happy with her age and circumstances she still had so much to be grateful for. She can’t see it. Debbie Downer prevails! Thank you for responding.
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nitsirk,

What you've described sounds stressful and hard on your morale! Your mom sounds very manipulative, and her mild dementia will only get worse. I've experienced something similar and can tell you your mom won't change, but you can!

When I first visited this forum 3 years ago, I was overwhelmed with anxiety, guilt, and the feeling that nothing I ever did was good enough. Mom was a tyrant who manipulated with fear, obligation, and guilt. She groomed me from childhood to serve her emotional needs; in essence a role reversal. I was the parent but with no authority. So I didn't know any other way to be. As Mom's dementia got worse, so did her manipulation.

Through support from this forum, I learned to emotionally distance myself from my mother. I stepped back; way back, sharply curtailing contact (physical and telephone), making myself less available to her; taking care of her needs but very selective about which "wants" I chose to address. Understanding that no matter what I do, it will never be enough. Do a search here on the "gray rock" method of interacting with your mom; it takes some practice but once mastered is very helpful.

The "never enough" mode of manipulation is the carrot she dangles in front of you to get you to do what she wants. We keep thinking if we just keep trying to please them, they will love and approve of us. Nuh uh. Doesn't work that way. Your mom isn't going to use up that currency: it's the most effective thing she has to manipulate you.

Once you begin to implement these changes, she'll notice and won't like it. That's alright. Practice makes perfect. Remember, the sad reality that her brain is gradually unraveling. Arguing or reasoning with someone with a broken brain is useless. Just roll with it. It never gets easier, but you'll cope with it better!
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nitsirk9898 Jun 2020
Thank you
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I just re-read the original post. This lady only moved last September - would be still grieving the loss of her own house, loss of her independance. 1st & 2nd parts of the grief cycle denial & anger. Anger is being directed at daughter. Just my 2 cents.

As dementia is progressive, this may be impacting more that it's realised. Really may be time for AL. No point arguing & reasoning if that is the case. Need Doctor's help again to assess, then move her. Just my next 2 cents.
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nitsirk9898 Jun 2020
Thank you Beatty
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Imho, she is not completely independent if you're taking care of the groceries, meds, doctor appointments and finances. My late mother never wanted to leave her home either and she was demanding about it. She did not. Yes, I had to move there from out of state. Prayers sent to you.
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nitsirk9898 Jun 2020
Thank you! It’s such a struggle!
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Look up "Covert" Narcissism on You Tube; lots of helpful videos. I watched 7-8 of them and am getting such a person out of my life right now; no more confusion! I always felt insecure with her; now I know why, and it no longer matters.
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helenb63 Jun 2020
How did you manage that?! I now know all about narcissism and why I react the way I do to my mother's triggers, but it still upsets me! Lockdown has shown me what I am like when I'm not fretting about her and feeling responsible for her well-being - a lot happier and calmer - so I really have to try harder to put up defensive screens against the FOG tactics and emotional games when we are allowed in to visit again.
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My first question to you is this: Why on earth are you allowing her to behave this way? If gently talking to her does nothing, and it won't, I assure you, have you tried to get medication for her behavior? It might work. If not, and nothing is right by her, I would sit her down and make her listen and very forcefully tell her in terms she can understand, since she is not willing to stop and cooperate with you, you have had it. You will no longer tolerate her behavior and she will be completely on her own and you are prepared to walk at once unless she stops. Tell her she has choices - a caretaker or a move to a facility. Do NOT, no matter who she is in relation to you, allow anyone ever to behave like this and cause you grief and harm. It has to stop. Turn the phone off or don't answer it and if you do and she starts in, hang up. YOU have to get TOUGH. Her days of being in control are gone. Now it is YOU who should be in control and living your life. Do not allow her to continue. People change and they are not who they once may have been - and if that is the case, why should YOU be punished for that?
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nitsirk9898 Jun 2020
Thank you! I think I take it because I always have and do not know better. I am learning though, looking back I see she has been this way my entire life. 😕
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Dementia steals a person's ability to reason and see things clearly. They live in their own world and see things their own way no matter how convoluted it may seem. You are not dealing with the same person you have known all your life. She has changed and all efforts to change her back will fail. Will you reach a point of yelling at her and ignoring her, of course. That is OK. Just do not physically hurt her. She will always be your mother and you will always love her. You are suffering from caregiver burnout. It is time to find someone to help you with the day-to-day situation. Join a support group in your area and you will find you are not on an island by yourself. It helps to share your frustrations and successes with the group. I have taken care of my wife for 17 years. She is physically fine but her dementia has robbed her of her real self. We deal with it day to day at home. I have found comfort in helping others through my support group that I have facilitated for the last 4 years. If you can re-purpose part of your life it will make dealing with your mom much easier. The only way you both lose is if you give up. You are not alone so hang in there!!!
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nitsirk9898 Jun 2020
Thank you
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Nitsirk, one way of ignoring the passive aggressive judgment is to be overly cheerful when she is doing it. This will make her crazy and you can laugh about how much control you have over her.

I used visual images to make my smile and little giggles real. So whatever makes you smile is what you should be seeing in your minds eye when she turns on the hate.

I visualize your mom as a little troll with fluffy orange hair and daggers for teeth and nails, she has a big round belly and bum, with tiny little short legs and spindly long arms. She has smoke coming out of her ears and nose and flames when she opens her mouth. She has one little bitty eye and one very large green eye with giant bushy eyebrows. When she speaks she sounds like a bull frog. Just something that lives under a bridge😁

This works best because they are trying to make you miserable and when they can't it drives them mad.

Be prepared for the ugliness to escalate, any changes that they see causes them to up their game trying to get the same results, a very hurt, unhappy you and a self satisfied them. So be prepared and know what is coming. I also will predict what my mom is going to do, it entertains me and stops her hatefulness from hurting me. (As much as possible, I don't think it ever stops hurting that your own mom is set on hurting your heart at every opportunity. But you do get to the point that you understand it is not you and they are to be pitied, from a distance of course.)

Great big hug filled with strength and encouragement for you!
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Mysteryshopper Jun 2020
I have used the "overly cheerful" method even with people who do not have dementia! Picture a constantly angry co-worker (sometimes passive-aggressive and sometimes overtly aggressive). I was on pins and needles around her. One day, I let her overhear me on the phone talking to someone else about what a beautiful day it was and how happy I was. Her childish tactics weren't appearing to affect me and I think she was at a loss! She and I will never be friends, but there is a hint of respect now that was not there previously.
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Let her cry. You are not responsible for her choices, you are not to blame for her problems. You are an adult, independent of her. In some small way, she helped you get to this point, even if it was just keeping you alive as a baby, changing your diapers, and doing all the things good parents must do.

They say when we get older, we become more like children again. It's true. We lose the ability to regulate our emotions, to cope with massive change, and struggle to find "normal". This is complicated by drugs. Anti-depressants have some nasty side effects, and if she's not taking them correctly, can actually compound the situation and make her more emotionally unstable.

She is still proud enough to realize that therapy has a stigma to it, so it's clear she doesn't want that. Respect that.

Set some limits up for yourself too. Realize that she is dependent like a child in some ways but still an adult in many others. She is in Senior Living, and so you need to allow yourself some time to break away, temporarily block her number so she can't call you. Let your family know that you are doing this for a period of time, and give yourself fa Time OUT to do some personal growth. Take a class, focus on your career, and your immediate family.

One day, she will be gone, and you will be independent of her. Use this time to start pulling yourself back, to test your waters to see what you can do. Then, when she's gone, you can look back without resentment but with a bit of gratitude for this gift of goodbye.

One thing I want to add, is that it's perfectly ok to screen her calls. Also to cut the calls off the MOMENT you start to feel like she's having a pity party or starting the blame game. You don't have to give her a reason just that you need to go. Even if she gets mad at first, she will forget about it tomorrow.

(That's why ultimatums don't work, because they don't have the memory to remember them)
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I asked the nurse when mom was behaving similarly and she recommended if there is a safety issue or aggression, she said that antianxiety medication would be appropriate.
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I just experienced the same thing recently and have chosen to limit contact. In the past she would emotionally manipulate and I would call her on it and leave. Caregiver burnout is very high for caregivers that take care of challenging emotional parents. I will be going no contact permanently as I am burnt out.
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Our government has just announced that single elderly folk will be able to meet one other family household indoors, so my mother will choose us as we are the nearest. My three-month stress-free break is over... I'm not sure how my plans to limit contact and protect myself from her negativity will work in the post-pandemic situation, where she will no doubt expect us to be round there all the time to make up for the lockdown, but I have to try or go back to the awful mental state I was in in February. Three months without us should have shown my mum that she doesn't have to rely on us for everything, but I'm not that hopeful!
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