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Dear Happy, I’m writing again because you seem to have a fair bit in common with some of my past experiences.

Your post says that you are currently propping up (and even part financing) your fella so that he can do something you don’t really want him to do. ??? You probably expect that if you can both get over this hurdle, everything will be OK.

You are a very capable woman. There are some men (and some women) who are very comfortable being propped up (and financed) permanently. I’m sure that you are watching for this. However the opposite can happen too. For me, I was just that bit TOO capable, and DH1 walked out on me and his kids for a weak clinging woman “who needed him more”. She turned out to be far more controlling, but that wasn’t immediately obvious.

Once you get over this hurdle, you may still find that you have wasted your time, and it may be even more painful. I’d suggest that you give yourself and your fella a ‘do it by’ date for this problem to get solved, because it could last for years. Then stick to it!
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Happytimes1982 Apr 2022
Thank you and I see where you are going with this. I do have a fear that he has “hero” syndrome—-thus he may have been attracted to me as a single mom with kids and no family really who maybe initially he saw as vulnerable. Now that there is a higher need, my situation isnt to rescue. So I absolutely see where you are going with this one.

yes I’m worried about this. I don’t want to waste my time and be basically taken advantage of to support other people.
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Happy, from what I can tell, you could both benefit from some therapy. Not couples therapy. Therapy in which you each figure out what you want.

You need support from an objective source who will tell you if you are being selfish/uncaring etc. and if this is a relationship that can be rescued.
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Happy, I am going to say something that you probably don't want to hear.

You keep saying, "our family" you guys aren't a family. You are a girlfriend that he lives with, who has children that have a dad that is active in their lives. You and him are not family, sorry.

He should never be called upon to support another man's children, not when the dad is involved. Bio daddy needs to be paying for his own children.

You keep telling us what ugly things he says to you when you try to talk to him. Stop trying to talk about it. Tell him you expect him to pay whatever was agreed upon for him to move in or consider this his 30 day notice.

Men don't handle women telling them what they think he needs to do. It shuts them down or they make it about you. Their brains and emotions work and process differently then a female, I don't care what any talking heads say about that. There are differences in males and females and that is part of what you are running up against.

If you tell him, do what you feel you need to but, you have to pay your way here or move out, you will know where he stands. Personally, I would not be giving him any female comforts until he gets it sorted out, it complicates the issues.

Right now, it should be treated as a business deal for housing and friendship until decisions are made and action proves them.

I have always believed ultimatums in intimate relationships create a lose-lose. So make it about the business of housing and let go of the intimate, for now. Hopefully, that makes senses.
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sp19690 Apr 2022
The fiancee is living in her house. He is NOT financiallybsupoorting her kids. This whole mentality that another man should not take care of another man's kids is just nonsense. Her ex has the kids 50% of the time and pays to support his kids so fiancee is NOT the primary for these kids. And if he wants to marry their mother He damn sure better think of those kids as his. Otherwise he should go live somwehere else.

He is not working at times because he has to take care of 3 old people who refuse to help themselves or get outside help.

He knew she had kids when they got together. She had no idea he would risk himself financially to take care of 3 old people and kill himself doing it in the process because he refuses to set boundaries and limits espevially with 97 year old grandma who sounds like she has been running the show and not in a positive way for her two sons all these years.

How many times gave we read about people ruinung themselves financially to bend over backwards for old people to satisfy that old persons selfish wants? Too many times. It is morally wrong but selfish seniors only care about what they want to hell with everyone else. If he can't set boundaries with these 3 then she will have to decide if the relationship is worth it. Because grandma can live past 100 and dad and uncles needs will only grow as they get older.

She needs to know uf he us willing to place any or all if they need it rather tham try to be superman and fix and take care if them all until they die. Conversely dad and uncle need to be sat down and talked with about future, future caravans expectations. So they are all on the same page.
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It’s because his elders are Family to him but not to you, and your kids are Family to you but perhaps not so much to him.

The real issue is about him sorting out the care for his three elders, to a point where he has some energy left over for you and he doesn’t need your income to make it happen. His current choices are not sustainable. He needs to be able to sort out his own responsibilities, without your financial input (eg time for him to mow their lawn?). If he can’t do that, he is not a good prospect for any relationship at all. Sex is not the issue.

Give him a time limit to work out how to arrange care for his elders that allows him to put time into paid work and his relationship with you. If he can’t do that, get out as soon as the time limit expires. ‘Part' doesn’t work. He needs to work it himself.
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sp19690 Apr 2022
If her kids are not family to him he has no business marrying her.
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I would tell him to move in with them and you two take a break. Sounds like each of you have plenty on your plates. Maybe the thought of keeping up your relationship in addition to all he has going on with them, is weighing heavy on him. I don't think it's up to you to lessen the burden on all of you, not your job. Don't stress yourself out thinking that way. You have two children who need you.

This sounds incredibly stressful for all of you. I'm sorry this is happening at the very time you two should be celebrating your engagement and future wedding.

Becoming a temporary caregiver to both of my parents definitely has me planning for my own future. There is no way I'd want my children dealing with all I've been doing.
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Happytimes1982 Apr 2022
I've told him this...he is completely against moving in there (no where for him to sleep, they let their dog piss in the house and dont clean it up and it smells, etc)...its a lot of craziness there. His dog also cant handle it there and the dog is his "child"

I agree, I never really thought of all of this since most of my family died younger or through a quick illness but if I last and need extended care I wont be burdening other people. I just dont think its fair.
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Even if you and your children were not in the picture, my advice to him would be to talk to a counselor/social worker to help him place all of these family members. He has to work so that he can support himself, pay into a retirement plan of some sort and have health insurance. He has to be able to take care of himself or he will be of no help to these family members. The situations with these people are not short term emergencies that need handling, they are long term issues that need a plan...especially the mentally ill father in his 60's.

If I were you, I would sit down with your fiance and let him know that you will go with him to meet with a social worker to discuss care options for his family members. If he expresses that he has no plan to stop being the main caregiver for these people, then you have a decision to make. Do you want to financially support someone who is a fulltime caregiver who will not have time or money to contribute to your relationship/household or do you want to walk away...

He has choices, but so do you.
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sp19690,

You're spot on about most of it, but not the kids. They have a father who is active in their life. The OP's fiance cannot step up and become dad to them because they already have one. People tend to resent a "third" parent over-stepping themselves. It doesn't have to necessarily be a new step-parent either. Many times the "third" parent is a grandparent who moves in and assumes parenting. This will cause resentment with the father and the kids.
It's different when a person marries someone with kids that don't have another parent. Or if they do the person is an inactive deadbeat.
I married a widower who had a little boy. I adopted that kid and he's my son. Even though we eventually divorced, he's my son too. There wasn't a biological parent in the picture to get resentful. There is here.
This couple should retreat to their respective corners and take a break so they can both make some decisions that need to be made.
If they work it out and stay together then great. If they realize they're not meant for each other, it's better they find this out before there are mortgages to pay and property to divide and additional kids to make custody arrangements for.
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Happytimes1982 Apr 2022
I agree with you...fiance has been down this path before and knew from the start how to not try to take over since kids already have an active mom and dad in their lives. I do think its been harder than most since my Ex is somewhat controlling and dictating . I do sometimes wish I had someone to step in on my behalf to deal with his craziness. However fiance has not wanted to play that part.

I agree, I have no interest in adding a marriage, joint mortgage etc to complicate this..which is why the marriage is put on hold. However I am still technically engaged...and the complication of potentially breaking up while all this is going on.
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I appreciate your big heart and concern and your wisdom to want to "strongly plan for your own future so that your children aren't stuck picking up the pieces", but that statement is contradictory to what you are actually doing. You are currently placing them in that situation.

Planning the now is planning for your future. Get your kids grown and out BEFORE you volunteer yourself and kids to this life. You're feeling and not thinking.

Can you guarantee that another disaster won't happen in your and your kid's future?

I sometimes feel like I'm not sympathetic enough. From my vantage point the answer seems to me cut and dried obvious, and tough. Forgive my bluntness which is partially do to my time constraints as I am neck deep in caregiving myself, so here it is - Why are you putting your kids through this? You do know why.

Also, I hate to be cliché but in the spirit of the saying about a person not being able to see the forest for the trees, here it is with a twist…by having you and your children in your fiancé's life he's simply adding more trees or more details to his problems.

It's not time for you two and a life.

Could it be that neither you nor you fiancé have a healthy idea of what a proper life and environment for children looks like? It's not the fault of either of you. It happens, but children first, or this will repeat in their lives, or worse.

This boat has a lot of holes in it. Love and dreams are not enough. You are needed.

Selflessness starts at home. Kindly and very well meaning, you're kids are going to be victims if they aren't already.

Even without kids, be a friend for now. I'd give your beau leads to resources and back off. Let it go, 'cause if you think you have troubles now, boy oh boy. If you think this is as bad as it gets honey babe this is just the appetizer.
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Happytimes1982 Apr 2022
When I have my kids all of my time is spent with kids activities, baseball, football, church events, their friends, etc. I volunteer at the kids school and teach CCD for my son. They are aware of fiance family issues but it has zero effect on them, at this point beyond fiance saying I was at my dads and theyre sick. They dont have a relationship with his family since none of them attempt to get to know my kids (and theyve all been too sick to bring kids there).
For a few years, fiance came to all the kids events, games, etc. It seemed like his situation stabilized with his family (and i was unaware of the full extent). Then his gram got sick (the one running the show ) and its very hard for him to make many games or do activities with us such as go out to eat etc. (understandably) When I have my kids (especially since its 50% of the time, I make sure its all about them). Im not willing to move from this one, so comments regarding me making boyfriend priority over kids is inaccurate.

Yes, you all are right in saying the kids already have a dad that is an active. I have two boys. Fiance and ex husband get along very well. Partly because fiance is extremely good with people (very personable, kind and friendly) and knows how to teeter that line with not being controlling or taking over a situation where kids already have a father. My ex husband has opposite personality of fiance (very type A, controlling, take charge, alpha). However, I will say fiance does add a good element to the equation since me and my ex are both very type A and ex is very hard on my boys. Fiance lightens it up a bit for the kids....

Now on to the situation at hand. Like I stated, for the first few years, the situation worked out great for all of us...me and fiance compliment each other well, go to kids events but then had time to go on weekend vacations, skiing, biking and planning our own future. We took kids on vacations. He didnt overstep with my kids with discipline which worked out great for both me and my Ex. After 2 years into the relationship fiance moved out of his house and into the home I lived with the kids (about 30 min from his home). However, it always felt like he still thought of it as "her home"...I continued to pay all the bills, groceries, etc and we had a set amount he would contribute each month. No combined income at this point. Some people mentioned him contributing financial support to kids, no he did not...and he only contributes a small portion to overall costs of home (i make a lot more than him and receive child support). So I understand all of this, however do think he needs to contribute at least what is agreed upon and to cover his own share of living here too.
Fast forward to last summer. We got engaged last Spring and very shortly after was when his own family situation seemed to deteriorate. His GMA health started failing and then his father had both health issues and other issues (wreaked his car and fiance had to clean up all the mess, court etc); instead of planning a wedding and being excited for our future everything was put on hold. We were first going to elope in Vegas (i already had a large wedding and so did he, we didnt care about that) and then my dad said he would pay for a wedding in the state I am from; however I stopped that. Fiance does not deal with stress very well and it was one crisis after another....he was completely pulled into his families stuff so our relationship, my kids, etc were put on the backburner. He wasnt able to come to events and mentally he wasnt here. He was extremely defensive and a lot of pressure is put onto him from GMA. We literally stopped all forward planning in our relationship.

He took his father and uncle to doctors appointments yesterday and expressed to me that he felt like it was two special needs kids with him...he said he was overwhelmed. GMA today said I want to die and please take care of "my boys
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My God woman! DO NOT MARRY THIS GUY!!!
AT least not until you have placed some of his relatives in memory care, nursing facilities etc. Otherwise, your kids will become 3rd and 4 th on the list instead of# 1&2. My aunt married a guy in the same situation. She was also a single mom. She tried helping best she could. As soon as they got married, he put it all on her. The older and more needy his folks get, the less you will be spending with your kids. You do know that don't you? Your responsibility is to your children. .. not your boyfriend family. He could only be looking for a way out on his part. For you to take time off work to tend to your boyfriend relatives, shows you will also go down the rabbit hole with the rest of them. Tell boyfriend when he gets them in a place so they don't have to depend on him, then the marriage is back on. To do otherwise is NOT FAIR to your own flesh and blood. Stay strong!
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Happytimes1982 Apr 2022
I mentioned this to him last night and his response was "so you want me to just VISIT my family" as though it was the worst most uncaring thing for me to every say and he cant reiterating that if it were my own family i would do the exact same as what he is doing.

My comment was that getting care for them isnt abandoning them..its actually safer than what he is attempting to do. I mentioned when my kids were young they were always in daycare since I worked...many times they didnt want to go. Yet, both me and kids dad worked so they needed to adjust. Whats the difference?
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Gently walk away. This man is only one person, who is already guilted into doing the job of many. He does not have his own life to enjoy, so what can he possibly bring to the table for you and more importantly your children. He is making the choice to sacrifice his joy, which is insane. The only thing worse would be if you joined him in this madness!
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To be honest it’s the guy I feel sorry for he has enough on his plate with the family without you adding to it he has made his decision to care or them and you need to let him get on with it maybe you should have a think as to whether this is what you want as it could last for years if you can’t handle it I suggest you move on and find someone else poor guy must be torn
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Happytimes1982 Apr 2022
I agree with you too. I do think me and the kids are too much for him with what he has going on. Hes really torn in wanting his own life but not being able to make that split. I do wish he didnt propose to me (getting my kids involved) if this was all too much for him.
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The biggest power you have is in walking away. You can do it kindly, but be clear, the reason you are calling off the engagement is that he is not setting a boundary with his family and putting his life with you first. His actions, not words are what you need. Then step away, kindly, but definitively. Move on, live your life, make other plans, focus on your kids. Give the ring back and don't wait in the sidelines. If he makes the necessary changes, and comes back with the bandwidth to move forward with you, discuss the details and look for verifiable action, then great. IF not, you saved yourself a life of more pain and heartache. More of what you have right now for who knows how long. And yes, it is very enlightening to see all this up front and personal. Just like reading the stories on this site. It really opens your eyes to reality.
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You mention that things really got bad with the family when you got engaged. Sometimes difficult families like his really amp up the problems when it looks like the caretaker / co dependent person might make a get away or get healthier. The core fear of many difficult people is abandonment and they want control (to avoid abandonment.). Its sad, they may have had trauma early on, you can spend your life trying to figure all that out, trying to make them happy (you won't) and miss out on your own life. Or, you set a boundary backed up by action. Sure, they may all have real health problems and emergencies, its how they and your boyfriend handle it and set boundaries that is important to you. You can't do the work for your BF.
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SnoopyLove Apr 2022
Bingo! I think that could be what’s happening here …
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OK...so some forward movement here with all of this. All this pressure I am putting on fiancé to figure this all out coupled w/ him being completely and totally overwhelmed he contacted a care manager (not sure the current terms) that is going to get all services from one place (fiancé said its been a disaster with one service one place one from another etc) and see every and all services that each individual qualifies for.

Fiancé explained to this person that he is unable to be a caregiver just manager of the situation. So apparently none of them qualify for medicaid (im still perplexed by this) due to pensions, SSI, and disability from each. Apparently there is a waiver that fiance is looking into.

Fiancé said the plan is to get all these things in place and in the meantime he will need to help out until it gets put in place (take out trash, run appointments, etc). He said they qualify for meals, house cleaning, caregivers, etc.

I do feel this looks promising and what needs to happen for everyone sanity.

Heres another weird piece to all of this, apparently when GMA was in a rehab facility some individual was rough with her and. theres an investigation now. His gram is claiming nothing really happened but some misunderstanding (she would be vocal if something happened). The nursing home/rehab facility is now calling FIANCE and investigating him asking very pointed questions as if he's after GMA money or taking advantage of her. As if he's not dealing with enough already.

Just keeping everyone in the loop. I guess I really do need to wait and see how everything shakes out.
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my2cents Apr 2022
The income limit for Medicaid is very low. Most people who have SSecurity and any kind of retirement income aren't going to qualify for a free bed paid for by the state. If someone is a little over the income limit (with total gross income), you can ask an atty to set up a trust using excess income. Say, you are over the income limit by $200, that $200 goes into a trust where funds can be used for qualified needs of that person. Gross income is reduced to qualify for the Medicaid bed. The reduced income goes to the NH each month. The $200 overage goes into the trust.
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He's a caregiver. That's what he is. It's his family, so naturally you don't have the same love connection to these people. Your love connection is tied to your own blood family.

What could be done to help both of you? Maybe something and maybe this scenario means the two of you can't have a future.

He has 3 adults who live in same house and all require some care. Do all three have income coming in. Could they pool household expenses and the cost to have someone come in each day to do some housework (that none of them can do)? Is it possible for you/fiancee to move closer so he doesn't have to make a long drive to check on them? And hire people to come in daily to check on them.
If there is any one person in that house that requires 24/7 care - and not enough money to pay for that - it's time to have a family meeting to see who can/will step up to the plate and do some of the in-home care that is needed. If your fiancee gets no offers of free family help, it all comes down to how much care is affordable to the 3 living in the home.

When any one of them is unsafe in the house alone (and the others living there can't manage the care), it creates unsafe condition for all of them. To move them all into a facility, fiancee will have to see it's the best thing to do. That's something he has to come to terms with on his own... nothing you say will help him see that.

Putting the house in his name at this point is not going to be the answer. It will create penalty period to get on Medicaid for the person whose name the house is in. Besides, a home is not counted against the person who needs nursing home care. It may have to be sold after death to allow the state to recoup funds spent on the nursing home - but not counted when the person enters NH. A penalty period, when you give assets away in the 5 years prior to needing a NH, would mean many months (or years) could pass before Medicaid would pay for the bed.

Your job is important and so are your kids. Understandably. But one of your issues is working out of town and then having to pay for house cleaning and time spent carting kids to all of their events. If he didn't have these family members to care for and you/he married, would you continue to pay for cleaning and handling your own children, or would you like him to be more involved with both to help you out? Just another way to look at it... your kids to become more important to him than his family members??? Sometimes we have to really consider both sides of the fence, especially a blended family.

If he really doesn't want to change his participation with his family and it's not what you want for the future, it may be time to move on for both of you. Actually you are both wanting the same thing: Being involved with family.
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Happytimes1982 Apr 2022
He’s only a caregiver because I am providing him w the means to be one. I’m covering our household expenses. If we broke up, and he had to pay his own way, he wouldn’t be able to do it.

unless he moved in there but even then he can’t make nothing—he’s too young to qualify for SSI, isn’t disabled, has no retirement or savings.

His family isn’t claiming they will pay him. They do have money to pay.
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I am so sorry for your situation. Your frustration comes through loud and clear, but you are NOT a horrible person. You are young with your whole life ahead of you--it's perfectly natural that you don't want to be locked into this scenario for what could be a long, long time. Your fiance sounds like a warm and caring person who can't say no. It isn't reasonable for him to expect his living expenses to be covered while he spends all his time and energy on his family of origin and none on his life partner. Totally not fair to you.
Only you can make the decision. If it were me I would break up, the reason being he's unable to give you more than friendship right now. If and when he's able to get his family situation under control you could try again if both of you are still interested. But right now, it's only right that he should set you free.
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I've been thinking about your situation. You stated that he wouldn't be able to help his family if he couldn't work. BUT he can take off work to help his family, because you are covering expenses. You stated you make a lot more than he does. He just contributes towards expenses, but not in an equal manner. I'd say that he's...well...using you.

What kind of help are these elders going to be able to get? They don't qualify for Medicaid, but they can get caregiving, household help and meals? For free? If not, then who's going to pay? And what if Granny refuses to accept the help? Please keep us updated on how that all works out.
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Happytimes1982 Apr 2022
Thank you. He gets very angry when I bring this up.

he keeps saying family will reimburse him, to cover caregiving/missed work. They never do. Or very minimally.

he’s acting like they will get these resources for free—-not sure how.

they can afford it. They saved enough money. But won’t pay. three adults in a household getting SS, disability and or pension and house is paid for.

here is the kicker, I am a director for my job so could probably really assist with lining everything up and simplifying this situation. But I’m not included. Which is probably for the considering it woukd probably be used against me.
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I read a article in the Boston Globe about caregivers on Sunday - 844,000 Caregivers in Massachusetts alone ( That they Know of ) Everyone is Burnt out - Not enough help, education , etc. for the caregiver . Woman over 50 become the caregivers often times and lose their ability to have a job . This was a eye opener . I read another article in The NY Times Magazine a few years back . For some reason caregiving isn't talked about Much or end of life Planning . The trouble is Once your in the caregiving position it does overwhelm you . Not sure what the answer is ? He Probably doesn't either . Perhaps he can find a social worker at elder services to help him Navigate and make some Life decisions so he is Not so overwhelmed .
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I don't mean to be blunt, but what would all these family members do if your fiance suddenly passed away?? Who would arrange their care? Or who would take over? I am only asking with the suggestion that maybe things should be organised now, with the view that if your fiance carries on the way he is, it is a real possibility that he will burn himself out, and won't be able to carry on. He needs to be freed from all that responsibility, whether the family likes it or not, and more realistic and doable care put in place. I only care for one person and that's enough for me!! Good luck.
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Happytimes1982 Apr 2022
Quite frankly it would probably go to the state if he passed. There’s quite literally no one left.

His father sometimes can be stable enough to handle the situation. And uncle as well. Grandma doesn’t have much longer.

We recently had a similar convo. My whole family had Covid a bunch of times and my son was jusy sick (just a cold); I mentioned if it was Covid and he couldn’t go to his gma that would really mess things up. Or what if he even was out w the flu for a week. His situation isn’t doable currently.
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One helpful idea might be to go away by yourself for a couple of days while your sons are with their father. You need to calm down, because you are going round and round in turmoil while everything stays like this. Go away at least twice, the first time to calm down and second to re-assess.

When things were good between you and BF, did you make most of the plans and the decisions on how to have a good time? Did you ‘make the fun’ for both of you? If you were married now, would you expect to have a say in how things worked with BF’s time, energy and money? In how all this care would be arranged? Would you be allowed to? If that’s what you would expect after marriage, why isn’t it happening now? Why would it be different in the future?

You are now questioning whether you should have got engaged. Engagement is a time to think seriously about a final commitment to marriage. There is no shame or failure about deciding that it’s a bad idea, and backing out – temporarily or permanently. Do you want to marry if it’s like “dealing with someone that’s been brainwashed”? Or marry someone who can’t cope? Or won't let you cope?

Your many answers over the last few hours suggest that you are in a bit of a mess, with a lot of conflicting ideas. If you are using your ‘off-care’ time to try to sort things out with BF, and your ‘on-care’ time to run around after your sons, you are giving yourself no time to think calmly. It’s important that you find yourself again before you go around the twist worrying about other people.

One of this site’s mantras is to look after yourself, because if you don’t you won’t be looking after anything else.
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Happytimes1982 Apr 2022
I love this idea. I would be happy going away by my self even. Ive had to travel for work recently and it was ike a vacation for me just to get away from all of this.

When things were good with fiance, we both made all kinds of plans together...weekends away biking, skiing, the beach, etc. Its was a honeymoon for the first 2 years..very fast moving.

I feel like im in a mess. I feel very conflicted between loving him and then knowing this isn't sustainable. I have no real friends here (just acquaintances ) and no family so it makes it so difficult to be alone. Im really in a pickle.
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Happy, I've been driving all over Brooklyn today and not been able to respond to your updates. But LOTS of time to think about your situation.

A couple of things stand out.
"So you want me just to VISIT my family?"

The 6 years that my mom was in IL and NH were the most exhausting of my life. I'm still recovering--and in therapy-- to deal with the damage it did to my nervous system, my health and my marriage. Getting someone the level of care they need does NOT mean you get to relax.

Second, there is a significant level of mental illness and co-depency going on in that family. Fiance has been groomed (as many children of mentally ill folks are) to be the default caregiver. It's called being a parentified child. They never bloom, spread their wings because they are always waiting for the next crisis.

Fiance also seems to lack the skills to investigate resources. Where did he find a geriatric care manager and who is paying for that?

Has family ever talked to an eldercare attorney?

Is there a special needs trust for either of the "boys?"

They are on disability but not eligible for Medicaid.

The whole story doesn't add up.

Also, untrained dogs pooping all over the house? I wonder how soon APS will be knocking at the door after "housekeeping" starts.
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Happytimes1982 Apr 2022
Yes, he acted like I told him to not talk to them when I said VISIT.

He can't think ahead because of the stress and anxiety the constant crisis have caused. He will have no one when he is old if he doesn't end up resolving this issue (and if me and him don't work out).

He said the state sent the geriatric manager. Im going to look into this further.

No, they haven't spoken to an eldercare attorney just general one overall for beneficiaries etc. Fiancé is the lowest on the list of gram recipients.

No special needs trust....

I also mentioned how they couldn't be eligible for medicaid if disabled...makes no sense to me.

The dog is a rescue and has severe anxiety. I think she may have been abused. She is a little poodle mix. She pees all over the house when anxious and they don't let her out enough either. Fiancé is constantly cleaning their carpets because o this. This is the main reason I don't bring my kids there because the house really smells. Its horrible. They would never get rid of the dog though.
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I want add that when my mother started to decline at home and needed lawn mowing, snow removal, house-cleaning and the like, it NEVER occurred to us to do those tasks ourselves.

Mom had funds. And that's what that money was there to do. We had jobs, mortgages and children. No time to do those tasks.

I guess we weren't groomed to be our parents' slaves.

What else is that money earmarked for?

It's started to feel to me like this servitude has been "normalized" for fiance. It's why he needs therapy. To hear that it's not.
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Beatty Apr 2022
My Grandparents were of the 'Mend & Make-do' gen that were resilient & did for themselves, then hired their own help.

It rubbed off on the next gen, but not all. I can spot an individual of the 'I am loved when folk do stuff for me' type now. I suspect a low self-esteem is the basis. An interesting topic.

Your Mom was like my Grandma - not selfish at all. said you have lives & I won't be a burden 😊
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Hi! Sometimes we want a magical answer. All we can do is give it our best.

I think your question hits at the heart of what is marriage. Is marriage a cost-benefit analysis? What will I get out of this transaction?…Or is it about a love so strong, that advantages/disadvantages don’t come into play. Once you’re calculating, is that love?

As for a magical answer on how to wisely care for several elderly LOs simultaneously…

I think life gets very tough sometimes. We’re hit with challenges, and very often, all at once; not neatly distributed over time.

It’s in those moments that our character shows. Your fiancé’s, yours, the elderly LOs’. Anyone’s. Mine.

All we can do is our best. It helps when the person you’re in love with has the same values.

Finding the perfect solution depends on luck. Meanwhile, the difficult situation reveals people’s character. Maybe later in life, that revelation turns out to be the most valuable and useful thing.
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MargaretMcKen Apr 2022
Poodle, the way you write it sounds as though you think that marriage ought to be “about a love so strong, that advantages/ disadvantages don’t come into play”. Marriage has virtually never been about that. Romeo and Juliet both ended up dead. Marriage can’t last for decades unless you both understand and can cope with the advantages and disadvantages. You don’t do that by ignoring them.
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Others have said it or at least hinted at it... this is a relationship issue not a caregiver issue. He needs to make you his priority. You have your answer... as painful as it may seem right now...move on. Live your life for yourself and your kids, because this will not improve but will worsen.
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Happytimes1982 Apr 2022
I agree. I have further separated myself from him just in my actions of how I chose to spend my time now (going to the gym more, etc). I plan to branch out and make more friends. I don't have a lot of friends here and zero family, so this is something I really need to work on. Thanks.
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Hi Happy,

I apologize if you covered this but I have not read anything from your posts on why your fiancé moved in with you to begin with.

You stated: "Fiancé lives w me and my children in a house I lived in prior to us living together. He moved out of his house and moved in with us about 1.5 years ago."

Was it his idea or yours?

What is the goal of him living you and your children prior to being married?

I ask these questions because there are some concerning red flags that I see.

Let's set the multiple caregiving situations aside for a moment...

Please excuse my bluntness but a 48 year old man should not be enabled by you financially or otherwise to care for his family. If at the age of 48, your fiancé doesn't get paid when he is not working (as in paid time off, fmla paid leave, etc.), this is a very big problem. It means that as an individual, he is not secure in his employment/career to fund his existence, let alone an entire family. It further means that retirement doesn't look good for him either.

Have you had the deep conversations yet...

The questions regarding his retirement plans (or lack thereof)

The questions of what would happen if he were sick and unable to work -- what are his expectations from you?

There is a lot more to unpack but I can tell you from what you have shared so far, this guy needs to put a lot of things into place in his own life to demonstrate complete independence from you and his family.

He should come to the table with more than his empty plate.
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Happytimes1982 Apr 2022
Hi Timothy,
It was both of our ideas. It didn't initially make sense for us to have two houses when he was at my house every single night anyway. He was eating dinner here and since we were together for 1.5 years, it seemed to make sense. I wanted to wait until after we were engaged, however COVID hit and initially it was pretty scary with all the lockdowns so right after that he stayed with me every night and about 6 months later ended his lease.

I agree that its concerned regarding his retirement and job situation.

If he were sick and unable to work he would most likely go on some sort of short or long term disability. that is why I foresee for him TBH.
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HT, is it Fiance's perception that the NH and "investigators" (aps?) Are insinuating that he's after GM's funds? Or is that an objective view of the situation?

Someone who has no savings or retirement plan at 48 is someone with a pretty deep flaw.

I would be re-thinking your plans very carefully.
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Happytimes1982 Apr 2022
Hi Barb, he said they were asking him pointed questions. Once the investigators came to visit the home they told him they had zero concerns though.

Fiance is an extremely poor planner. And yes, this is a huge flaw.
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Happytimes1982: Prayers and hugs sent.
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Happytimes1982 Apr 2022
thank you! that means a lot!!! I am struggling.
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Dear Happytimes,
IMHO you are not ready for marriage with this man because your resentment is in its early stages and will only grow deeper (and I think down deep you know this). What this comes down to is finances and you slid that in as an aside. He needs to hire a TEAM of caregivers to be at their home 24/7. This is very expensive. Even if he did move in with them he would burn out in a week. It’s not possible for one person to take care of three 24/7 without help. The 94 y/o grams won’t be in this world much longer and if a face to face explaining why her grandson cannot possibly be a caregiver for all of them doesn’t register it’s possible she has some dementia too.

This situation will not change once you’re married. This is something your fiancé has committed himself to. So you need to also feel committed but you feel like a victim and this will erode your relationship if it hasn’t already began. You obviously make enough money to take care of your family and also “pick up the slack” with him not working so I suggest you think about what YOU really want and need instead of thinking about him and his family as your own personal burden. They will be your family too once your married.

Fyi, one does not just hire caregivers and everything falls into place. In this situation he needs to work with a company that can put a team (meaning at least 5) together that can work on a schedule so they all are committed to the same goal, keeping 3 people cared for 24/7. This, my friend is all I can suggest. It means you will be supporting 5 more people. You need to embrace your fiancé’s responsibilities as your own because that’s what’s in your future. You have learned a valuable lesson, looking out for your own self in your old age. But if you decide to take a break from him now, don’t think he won’t feel resentment too and your separation becomes permanent.

I haven’t posted here in a while but your situation gutted me and I feel your anguish. I moved in with my mom in 2016, she passed 2 yrs ago at 91, and my life changed, freinds changed, work… everything. But I came out the other side with scars that have faded. You can also do this if you want to, but if you don’t, most people in this forum will understand why.
with love and light,
Sabrina
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Happytimes1982 Apr 2022
Thank you Sabrina. I appreciate your insight and caring thoughts. I agree that I am not ready for marriage with him. So much has changed since we were engaged and I don't think he places me and the kids at the level of priority that needs to be in the beginning of a marriage. If we were 10 years deep, this would still be soo hard, but when its at the beginning stages its almost impossible. I'm so sorry to hear about your mom.

I have a hard time committing to his family as a caregiver when they haven't been actively involved in my life, with my kids etc. I understand his grandmother (she is 97), but his dad and uncle haven't even come over to visit our house one time (after several invites). Thank you
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My sympathy. Older people are often very entitled and think the younger ones should be available for care.
Setting boundaries is tough. There will be arguments.
They are not your family members, you have to take care of you and your children, they are #1. They are children.
If fiancé gives in when grandma cries, then he is allowing her to continue. He has to make the choice of when to say no. He chooses to care for specific things and no everything. He calls squad to take her to hospital if she needs nursing care he can not do. They have to see they can't expect someone to do medical care at home. He needs to talk to pastor or hospital social worker or agency on aging and get his facts on what is limits on elder care he should be dong.
My biggest advice is to take care of yourself and children and let him make decisions on his priorities for his time and effort.
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Happytimes1982 Apr 2022
Thank you. I think I have come to the conclusion to separate myself from all of it and let him figure out how he wants to continue with all of it. He is very defensive, therefore I don't think its productive for me to insert myself. I will continue to live for my children, and see how this shakes out. He is not going to be able to continue at the pace he is at right now, so I think he will naturally come to a conclusion one way or another. Regardless.
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Happytime- you wrote that you have no family here, only acquaintances, so it makes it so difficult to be alone.

Yesterday, I came across a “thought of the day” from a well respected family therapist, and I’d like to share it with you.

Do not allow your loneliness to lower your standards.
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SnoopyLove Apr 2022
That’s good!
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