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My dad is 91 years old and suffers from chronic severe back pain from severe spinal stenosis and osteoporosis. He also has minor cognitive impairment, depression, and anxiety. He is otherwise considered healthy with no significant heart, kidney, or lung issues.


He lives in my home with my wife and I. We have been his caregiver for the past 20 years. I am the DPOA. We live in California. He has SSI benefits and his health insurance for the past few years has been a Dual Eligible Special Needs Plan (D-SNP), which is a "health plan which provide specialized care and wrap-around services for dual eligible beneficiaries (eligible for both Medicare and Medicaid)" per DHCS website.


In the past, my wife and I have utilized IHSS to help care for him and cook for him. However, over the past 2-3 years, his condition has gradually gotten worse. He has complained of gradually worsening pain. He has had many appointments with his PCP, orthopedic, and spinal surgeons who have all stated that he is not a surgical candidate anymore due to his age. My dad is also not open to surgical interventions. There were talks of less invasive procedures such as an ablation but that is no longer an option due to the severity of his pain. (See below)



He recently sustained a fall at home about 2 months ago when my wife and I were working. He was initially admitted to the hospital for 4 days for a new compression fracture of L5 and then discharged to a SNF where he stayed for 26 days with PT and OT. Eventually, he was deemed stable by the facility to discharge home given improvement.



He returned home with home health visits and PT/OT at home, but I did not feel this was enough help. He was still mostly bed-bound with severe pain transitioning from bed to chair and required oxycodone every 4 hours to "control" the pain. We tried working with my brothers and sisters to coordinate more care but ultimately, they were uncooperative and dismissed dad's medical care to my wife and I. My dad was at home for 2 more weeks until he sustained another fall at home.


He was admitted to the hospital again for 4 days. He was given lots of additional pain medications including fentanyl, dilaudid, and oxycodone to somewhat control the pain. He was then discharged to a SNF that has Medi-cal certified beds. He is now on oxycontin and is doing PT/OT with some improvement; however, he is still unable to do most/all of his ADLs without 1–2-person assistance.



My wife and I feel that we cannot safely care for him at home anymore. We do not have children and work full-time jobs from 9-5 with an hour long commute each way. My brothers and sisters are uncooperative and inconsistent with caring for my dad. They also are not willing to financially help pay for any private caregivers or private facilities despite me and my wife offering to pay our share. We have investigated the ALW program and other home and community waiver programs for assisted living but there are limited options in our area with no openings at this time. He needs someone to watch him in our home and to help him with his ADLs, or I am afraid he will sustain another fall. I have spoken to him about these issues, and he agrees that he does need additional care that we cannot provide at home.


Given that my dad has been accepted and approved for Medicare and Medi-cal for many years now, how can we apply for LTC in the SNF? We have spoken with the admissions director who accepted my dad for short-term to long-term care transition from his second hospitalization. He told me that there would be no problems transitioning my dad to LTC but I am skeptical of absolutes. We have already filled out the admissions packet for the facility and had my dad sign all the paperwork. He is currently covered through Medi-care Part A and is maximizing his up to 100 days of rehab. My concern is what will happen once we get the Medi-care non-coverage statement. Will we have to apply for LTC Medi-cal even though he already has Medi-cal?

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In my state (MN) LTC is assessed as needed by a doctor. I.e. the patient/PoA doesn't "decide" upon LTC. Talk to his primary doc about this (or his ortho doc). LTC where my MIL resides, is all people who are bedridden or require a wheelchair for mobility. Would your Dad stay in bed in a facility? This is a dilemma I faced this past January when my 100-yr old Aunt with advanced dementia living at home kept getting out of bed at night (she required assistance to walk). She fell and broke her hip. In rehab she kept attempting to get out of bed. We were in the process of figuring out where to transition her, since she was a 100% fall risk wherever she went (LTC or MC).

I'm sorry you're in this situation. Please consider consulting with a Medicaid Planner for your Dad's state of residence to get the best guidance about qualifying. But talk to his docs first about LTC. You may also want to talk to the admissions admin of a good facility to see how they would address his fall risk issue.
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Andy, are the potential "coverage" issues financial ones, i.e. your dad's income or assets are over state limits?

Have you given any financial information to the SNF?
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You can apply online for LTC Medicaid. there will be a website in your state where you can fill out the application. A Medicaid caseworker will normally contact you shortly after they receive the application. The hospital SW also can help you apply. I did both, I applied online and then shortly after sent my father to the hospital. When my father was in the hospital the SW applied with my help again. It was easy, and my father was already in the system with Medicaid/Medicare as yours is.
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Welcome, Andy!

Have you asked the admissions folks at the SNF about how to apply on dad's behalf for LTC Medi-cal?

The financial qualifications for LTC Medi-cal differ from those for regular ("Community") medi-cal. In general, you need to provide several years worth of bank statements to prove income and lack of assets.

Start with the admissions folks. Dad has to qualify both my medically and financially. Does dad have a caseworker for Medi-cal? S/he would also be a source of information.
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AnonAndy2 Jul 2023
Last I spoke with admissions, he informed me that my dad is currently being covered under medicare and that he would personally take care of applying for my dad's LTC once the non-coverage statement was given. I voiced my concerns about potential coverage issues but was reassured that I had nothing to worry about.

In terms of a caseworker for Medi-cal, I am not sure if my dad has one or not. He has been assigned a social worker at the facility, but this is probably a different person. How would I contact my dad's caseworker for medi-cal? Is there a number I could reach? He had a caseworker/social worker for IHSS but since he had been out of the house for over 30 days, his IHSS case was closed.
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There are several posters from California who post on this forum. Hang around for answers.

Wishing you and your family all the best!
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AnonAndy2 Jul 2023
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