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I care for a mother daughter duo. Daughter has special needs, but is high functioning. Nom has Parkinson's. She's in a wheelchair, extensive one-assist. I care for them from 8am-8pm, but they are alone at night. Mom recently almost fell in the bathroom. If I had not been there she would have fallen face first into the glass shower door. She wouldn't even have been able to protect her face or break her fall since both her hands were pulling up her depends. Months before this I came in at 8am one morning and found on the floor by her bed.. she missed the edge if the bed sitting down after a bathroom trip. She was sitting on the wood floor like that from 4am until 8 when I arrived. I have asked if she would have a grab bar installed, she said no. I asked her to order more absorbent overnight depends so she's not making multiple trips alone at night to the bathroom, she said no. I have asked her to wear life-alert at night, she said no. I've asked if we can schedule overnight care, she said no. As a long-time caregiver I know she needs the help round the clock. My question is if something happens at night while the girls are alone can the family, or anyone for that matter, come after me? I want to respect boundaries and rights but also protect myself, my license, and keep the ladies safe. Also her POA and Proxy are both her other daughter that lives 2 hours away and mom also has a sister that has been adamant about the ladies needing more care for the last 3 years.

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Aedan, if a person is not deemed incompetent by a judge they have every right to live how they choose.

If a person is not incapacitated the POA doesn't mean anything. You work for the mom and she gave you her friend as the contact, that doesn't make you liable for anything with the actual appointed POA.

Perhaps it is time to encourage your client to get a needs assessment to ensure both are getting the proper level of care they need.

You are not legally responsible for her choices or responsible to communicate with her POA, don't let anyone tell you that you are. The estranged daughter may be named as POA but, that doesn't make her responsible either if she hasn't accepted the appointment.

Best of luck getting these two the care they need, it sounds like a tough situation for you.
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You are not responsible for your Clients when off duty. And as said Mom is your employer u answer to her. But now you are experiencing decline and the need for nighttime help, you contact the POA, which you did. Is there another family member. Someone needs to be made aware of Moms decline. I may contact the POA again. If she does not answer, leave a message if you can saying its the second time u have tried to contact her about Moms decline. Its OK if she does not call but you need to be in contact with someone. If she or another family member does not call u, you may need to call APS. Mom needs more help.

Parkinson's goes hand and hand with Dementia. Plans are needed to be made for special needs daughter, too.
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who is officially in charge? Do either the mother or daughter have capacity? Is there someone else who is power of attorney?

If you think there are vulnerable, unsafe at some times of the day, you can call APS about it.
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What is your protocol for if she does fall? Are you able to get her up by yourself?

Some caregivers (especially if agency employed) have a protocol to not try to lift the fallen person by themselves. It may require a 911 call in those scenarios.
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I would inform the POA what happened. It’s clear the woman cannot live independently anymore. It also seems that she has cognitive issues if she does not want to take steps to ensure her safety. The family needs to figure out placement for both but most especially placing the DD daughter.
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You have a license.
You then understand that makes you a mandated reporter.
You have described people you care for living in an unsafe environment for them.
Yes, you are liable to report this to APS. Legally AND morally.

Now, if you are asking if a court will accuse you of manslaughter and clap you into prison, no, probably they will not.

Here is my question for you. Why are you bringing this to a Forum of total strangers? Why have you not told the daughters there they require now 24/7 care? If you advise them in writing that they need this, and they do not comply, then they are responsible, but that doesn't remove your responsibility as mandated reporter. Write the daughters today. Tell them if you do not hear from them within a few weeks that you will have to report to APS. Let them know that firing you will not stop your report. And it should not.
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You do not work 12 hour days (8am to 8pm) if you are employed legally through a homecare agency.

I don't think so. I own a homecare agency and no agency is going to legally hire an hourly aide 12 hours a day because over 40 hours (when you're hourly) becomes overtime and gets overtime pay.

So, more likely you're working under-the-table and getting paid in cash. You should be more worried about getting in trouble for that. Or if you're working illegally in the U.S.

I'm sure you already know the answer to your question.
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Aedan0620 Jan 19, 2024
I said I have daytime covered. Not that I work it all myself. I also never said I worked for or through an agency. I do pay my taxes and I am a legal US citizen. No I don't get paid in cash and I am legally self-employed. I have been a licensed caregiver for 20 years. Private care only the last 4 1/2. So no, I don't have the answer to my question. Maybe you shouldn't assume things you don't actually know.
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If you are self-employed and there's no written contract then I'd be worried. You should have liability coverage yourself.

Another thing for YOU to consider is that the homeowner may not have enough liability coverage if YOU got hurt on the job (think about wrecking your back while you're picking client up off the floor, especially if it creates a permanent disability). Also, IF you're getting paid in cash there's no way to prove you got hurt "on the job".

The increasing care needs is a concern you bring up to the PoA (via email or text so that you have a dated record of when you voiced the concern). You now need to consider how long you want to work there if the PoA doesn't act fast enough.
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Aedan0620 Jan 19, 2024
I am self-employed, I don't accept cash payments.. check or card only, and I pay my taxes. I was lead to believe the mother's lifelong best friend and neighbor (who I've also known personally for years)was the POA. I just found out a few days ago, AFTER 3 YEARS (!!!), that it's actually her other daughter that she's currently not on speaking terms with. I've been in Healthcare a long time but private care only for about 5 years now. I've never been in a situation where there was no clear plan.. I've never been lied to about who is a health care proxy, poa, or conservator before either... I did reach out to mom's sister as soon as I found out her poa wasn't who I thought. I just got the poa's contact info yesterday from her and haven't heard back the daughter yet. So I'm in unfamiliar territory here and find myself unsure of what my next step should be. I never thought about their liability insurance either so thank you! I'm insured myself but no clue about their end.
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You are responsible for them during the hours you are there.
If you work for an agency you should mention that they , in your opinion are not safe alone when no one is there.
If the mother is cognizant there is not much you can do other than to document what suggestions you have made and her response.
If Mom is cognizant and and you do not feel that they are safe you could report to APS (understand that she may be upset and you might lose your job)
If there is family you could express your concerns to the other family members.
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This post is from Jan. This OP has not returned since the day they posted.
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