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Have to repeat same things I’ve said, forgets wallet. Doesn’t enjoy things he used to. We’ve talked about it a couple times and he recognizes it but now I feel like he compensates and wants to ignore it but it’s difficult not knowing what really is going on

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I agree with everything Daughterof1930 wrote to you.

One way to get him to the doctor is to tell him that what's going on with him may be treatable with a simple course of antibiotics, like for a UTI. Or, he could have diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. -- all of which are treatable and he may return to how he was. Medicare offers a free annual wellness check, so it won't even cost him anything. There is no one test for dementia so to get an accurate diagnosis, his doc would need to eliminate all other health issues first.

I've personally done the "secretly pass note to doctor" thing with both my MIL and Mom. The medical staff was happy to accommodate family who are struggling to help family members. Both my MIL and Mom did not need to see a neurologist in order to get meds for depression/anxiety -- which were very helpful and made a big difference. But a patient cannot get them without a full physical first.

If your family member has as assigned PoA, this person should be notified of what's going on. If he doesn't... he needs to get to an elder law attorney to get this put into place so that he doesn't get assigned a court-appointed legal guardian in order for anyone to manage his affairs and make decisions on his behalf. He will have more control if he is proactive. As time passes, and his possible dementia progresses, he will lose this window of opportunity.
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If this is one of the many forms of dementia you cannot expect the person to reasonably understand or discuss what’s happening. That’s part of the disease process, loss of understanding and making sound judgements. Plus, many of us have the tendency to not want to face scary things, and feeling like you might be losing your mind is pretty huge. Tell whatever white lie is needed to get your family member to the doctor for a complete medical evaluation. Contact the doctor prior to the appointment, using the patient portal or sending a message, and advise of what concerns you have. Ask for a cognitive exam and referral to a neurologist for more complete testing. Also consider if depression is at play, it’s common and may be part of what you’re seeing. Another thing for the doctor to evaluate. No more talking to loved one about this, it’s not productive for either of you. I wish you well in obtaining an accurate understanding of what you’re seeing
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Hopingforhelp1 Sep 17, 2024
Thank you for your advice. He has gone to Dr and has had and some lab tests - b12, hormones and other standard labs. He told me he wants no pity or treatment of any kind, does not want to see neurologist which could be why he is not telling me more because I will press for tests and early treatment. I just want him to be honest if things are worse than what he is letting on so we can plan for future or do I wait until things get worse and something happens? This also is affecting our relationship.
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Welcome to the Forum.
I hope you will fill in your profile about the person you care for and about yourself; it will greatly help us answer you if you intend to stay around in the Forum.

We really need to know more about Uncle:
1. Who does he live with. Other than yourself, what support system does he have?
2. Are others noticing the change?
3. Do you feel Uncle is a danger to himself? Does he get lost? Forget to turn off the gas?
4. Does Uncle live alone? Who checks on him? How often?
5. Does Uncle have a POA?
6. Does Uncle still drive?
7. Who else in the family is involved with/concerned for Uncle?

Truly, you cannot help those who do not want to be helped. At the point that you fear your uncle is a danger to himself I would consider a call to APS asking for a wellness check to assess mentation, ability to function alone, and tell them that he has not been cooperative in getting any assessment and you fear for his safety.

I think that's about all you can do. We all die. Whether we die of a housefire, wandering off in inclement weather, a fall, or die sitting in the easy chair in a nursing home, we all are going. As to which is the better option, few of us really can know, or have a vote.

I would check on Uncle with a daily phone call. If unable to reach for a day I would check; ask if you can have a set of keys for said check-in. Ask if he will cooperate at least in this.
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Hi hopefullforhelp, I really have no good answer for you, other than it does sound like the beginning of some dementia.

I would lean everything you can on dementia to see if you see other signs that you didn't realize. Also, start recording everything you see to have ready for the doctors when the time comes.

I'm very sorry 😔
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If family member of Medicare age, has the doctor done the annual Medicare Wellness Visit? (known as AWV) Internet shows it as essentially a detailed, question-based assessment of a patient's current health and risk factors and is free for patients with Medicare Part B. You can look online for more info. If you suspect a decline, slip a note to the doctor and ask that they do a little more than the routine draw picture of clock showing certain time of day, repeat a few words back later in visit.
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I think the approach--including whether or not to pursue formal diagnostics--may depend at least partly on the age and functionality of the person and the age/health/functionality of the carer. My husband will be 95 in a couple of months, and I will soon be 88. We are OLD. He is in fairly good physical health for his age but has short term memory loss (which he recognizes). So far, I have most of my marbles, except for occasionally misplacing my car keys or glasses, but I have physical limitations.

I'm not sure that going through the somewhat complicated process of obtaining a formal diagnosis for him would make much difference given where we are in the "life cycle" and our living arrangements. If I were to die, our son would likely need to place my husband in a board and care situation or memory care. I don't think he would do well on his own for long. I do the grocery shopping, food prep (such as it is), laundry, light cleaning (we have a housecleaner every 2 weeks), most cat care, appointments, driving and errands.

Our finances are mostly online; our son would have access to our bank accounts to pay bills, if needed. We prepaid for our cremations 25 years ago. We have long term care insurance which would help financially if one or both of us needed placement--as long as we don't live too much longer. That's a BIG question mark!
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If you can, get family member to medical provider for assessment.
If they are assessed to be 'unable to care for themselves / their own welfare' you need to get a letter.

Concurrently, get all legal documents in order - see attorney if needed.

You want to be very careful when it comes to finances, check writing, credit card use, answering the phone (or internet) re scammers. Consider blocks on accounts and/or at the very least now, adding your name as a 'co-signer'. Although it sounds like this person shouldn't be managing ANY of his/her finances.

Read / educate yourself on dementia:

1) Google TEEPA SNOW - read her website, her You Tubes, buy her books.

2) Review / You Tubes of others - searching for "how to manage loved one's dementia" - lots of information available.

3) First get assessed. If resistant to going out / med appt., say it is going for an annual check up or whatever will get your loved one there. Or if really difficult, say you are going out to lunch and then ... we are making a stop before lunch.

4) The key is when dementia behavior affects the person to potentially cause them injury, i.e., leaving the house and not knowing where they are going, having outbursts (confused, frustrated).

- Assess medication if on - and / or adjust (talk to MD)

5) Consider getting caregiver in to give you a respite. YOU WILL NEED IT.

6) Call local dementia association (Alz ?) and ask for support.

7) You need to know that you must take control and not abide by what they say (in most situations) as they are unable to assess their safety needs.

8) Be compassionate, understanding, calm (as possible), while making major decisions. NEVER EVER ARGUE. It is a no-win and causes unnecessary frustration for all concerned. This is not easy. We all need to learn as we go.

I took Teepa's on-line webinars years ago as well as read / watch her free videso. She really knows how to communicate with people inflicted with dementia - and she shows us all how to do it.

Gena / Touch Matters
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Good Morning,

It's time for an evaluation. A trip to the Geriatric Neuro-Psy doctor, Geriatrician or Primary Care Doctor for an assessment. Return in 6 months and they will compare any cognitive decline, etc.

Even when they (the doctors) diagnose Dementia, Alzheimers, etc. not a lot of info is provided afterwards just maybe a handout of "day" respite programs. I found I was on my own and had to think fast.

Do they live alone? Are they eating? Do they appear clean? Do they lock their door at night? Are there bills paid on time? Is their checking account in order?

Are you the closest next of kin? If not, it's time to make a few phone calls and fill people in on what you observe.

AlvaDeer and I think alike!
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Nothing you can do to improve his memory. Learn to live with it
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I have found that I can talk in a firm, direct, calm, voice and just state what's what. I will repeat myself as many times as it takes. I make statements and don't ask questions: "Your wallet (or whatever) is here in the house. We'll look for it together." "We're having mac and cheese for dinner tonight" instead of asking what he would like. (I know what my husband likes, and I choose among those meals.) "You have a doctor's appointment on Wednesday morning at 10:00. "The person I care for seems to appreciate that I am making decisions that he doesn't have to think about.
This works for me sometimes and it is done with love. It also eliminates endless questions, but this is just one piece of the pie.
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