My parents’ home is falling down around them (multiple leaks in roof, sloping floors and ceilings, mold) but they refuse to move or make any repairs. They claim they’ve called roofers and no one returns their calls (the roof has been sagging for 10+ years). They claim the mold is just a stain from furniture being up against the wall.
I am at my wits’ end and just want them to live in a safe, clean environment. They are in their mid 60s and able to take care of themselves, but unable to keep up with their home’s needs.
What can I do to help them? Any time I try to discuss this with my mother she breaks down in tears and feels like I am attacking her personally.
Have you considered APS involvement? They may not be able to get the money for the repairs but, they do have connections which could assist them into reduced to free costs for such a situation. You should also have house checked by environmental protection agency as the mold could be causing damage to their thought processes and making them sick. I would also see about getting your parents health checked out. You need to tread lightly as no one likes to be put in a situation where they feel cornered.
Best wishes
In order to do it, PRC had to get us & our next door neighbors to sign off to allow work as the backside of their “garage” (more a shed that had likely been a stable) was on our property lines. We could refuse to sign off too. A structural engineer hired by PRC came out to evaluate the house and the garage cause of there were any structural issues property could not be in the PRC program. Damage or repairs ok, structural not ok.
Also if it wasn’t owned outright, the lender / mortgage co had to be notified & I assume did some sort of release. All work needed historic approval which PRC staff took care of. Probably added 70k to value of the home when it finally sold after Katrina.
My point is that “free” will have all sorts of requirements; and a lot of these will need legal filed at the courthouse - like a Release of a Deed of Trust - to be able to participate in a program. Free isn’t always simple.
My brothers and I would do some small repairs but told them firmly that we would not invest money in a house that was falling apart.
Luckily they found out about a local program that offers grants to low-income seniors to bring their homes up to code. The goal was to keep seniors in their homes and out of facilities. They qualified for an outright sum of money plus no-interest loan that would be forgiven if they stayed in the house for 10 years. Dad was allowed to choose the contractor from a list approved by the agency so he felt like he had some control. He also kept a close eye on all the workers!
The best part was Mom lived in the house the 10 years required so they got 25k in free money! We sold the home to fund Mom's move to AL.
If you have family members that can handle it, make sure create a contract showing exactly what repairs will be made, how much for each repair, and a completion date. Treat them as a contractor and make sure there is paperwork to cover each step of the process. If they get miffed or acuse you of not trusting them - explain that all of their money has to be documented as how it is spent and there has to be contracts to verify expenses in the even they need to apply for Medicaid Nursing Home assistance. Take care of it the right way so you don't end up with a never ending project with the whole house torn up and never completed.
I also recall a man who was a Methodist and did volunteer work either with his church, or with Habitat for Humanity, which might be a good source to contact as well.
I missed Takincare's post reference Habitat for Humanity - well, two mentions is better than one!
I think there's another issue for a man who's done his own work for years. He's uncomfortable recognizing his growing age related limitations but doesn't want to face it; I understand that perfectly. What did help is to work with a contractor, not only in drafting the work scope, but helping to prepare the area as much as possible.
I do that with my military junk hauler. I work right alongside of them (I hope they don't mind!) and make decisions on the spot. That works a lot better than hiring the 800 Junk students who swooped in and took the most valuable metal items while I was still scoping out what needed to be done. Never again; I learned a lot from that experience.
Another thought, on a slightly different level. Utilities sometimes offer free upgrades, although it seems to me that they're more tech oriented than safety oriented. But one in my area has offered weatherizing materials.
Hope you will be able to talk some sense into your folks. Best of luck!
I see a situation like this as reflecting how overwhelmed people can be, are reluctant if not afraid to admit that a situation is out of control (/b/c they think it's a reflection on them), and are also stymied in how to get help, especially now (I had to wait 2 months last year just to get my garage repaired.) Assuming your parents are living on a fixed income, that could also be major factor
Grandma54 made a good point (it just happened to jump out as I skimmed the answers). People who are handy recognize when that ability begins to dissipate, and they can be embarrassed, frightened, confused, and uncertain how to proceed. If you've been a handy person for decades, losing the ability to recognize, analyze, assess and plan repairs is unsettling. It's hard to come to terms with your own decline, at any level.
Right now there's also the very significant issue of bringing repair people in the house b/c of the pandemic. I'm really not that comfortable with that concept, even if they said they always mask.
You might consider taking photos of the exterior, as that kind of work could be done now,, depending on the area in which they live (I haven't checked your profile). A lot of damage can occur from a roof leak; believe me, I know; it ruined a whole room in my house.
You might also contact their insurer and ask who they would recommend (I assume there's no insurance claim to be had for the roof?), but that could also generate an insurance checkup and the roof might be considered in such a bad condition that their homeowners' insurance premium would be raised. Or contact your own insurer for recommendations.
I would check with local governmental (especially the Counties) senior care or home improvement, and Senior Centers, to see if they have (a) list or booklet of specialists in various trades or (b) lists of companies providing discounts for seniors.
Are your parents able to get out of the house for any reason? If so, and if you can get any roofers interested, get estimates then.
And do contact the county or state elder care division. Our county has a home improvement function by which it hires contractors to make repairs on homes for people in need. The loans aren't due until the house is sold.
The city in which I live also used to get annual HUD grants for critical home repairs.
Are either of them Veterans? The VA (last time I checked) offered certain home repairs.
I will caution you that I've seen only one of these county contractor repairs "in action", and the "contractor" definitely was not qualified. So proceed with caution. The county selects the contractors, and the one I met was not only unprofessional, he was inattentive, put his workers at work (one was sitting on the edge of a 1/4 pitched roof reaching to cut tree branches!). I learned a few years later that the contractor was unstable, and committed suicide.
ETA a comment about Angie's List; I posted again, but it disappeared; must be more Internet gremlins at work today.
Angie's List contacted me for a reference on a contractor it had been advised I hired for work. I did not. The contractor apparently misrepresented the situation, I never hired it and wouldn't after the first interview. Apparently AL never checked either and just sent me an e-mail requesting a 1-5 approval rating, which obviously wasn't possible. So before anyone relies on AL, do some background research and found out how the contractor has been vetted, and if AL actually checked to ensure that work was done for a specific customer.
Another comment on creating comfort for the homeowners. I think MidKid58 would agree with me. My father was comfortable with people from his church helping him, more so than my hiring separate contractors. Mormons do this for their parishioners.
www.naela.org a place to find an elder law attorneys.
I once 'helped' a friend pack up her entire house as she was facing foreclosure and needed to sell. As we began to dig through 25 years of hoard, I found mold, cat feces, urine saturated carpet, mouse & rat droppings, pipes wrapped with duct tape and a few major plumbing issues--all these things she had simply gone 'nose blind' to and in some way 'blind-blind'. It was just too much as a whole to fix. She, too, was in her mid-60's and capable, but as far as running a home and keeping it safe? She was completely out of her element.
I worked with her for months and finally called in some wonderful neighbors who had the skills to fix these problems. It was a matter of money, to a degree, mostly it was that anything that required her to work through a problem..she just couldn't. And didn't.
She has her 3 grandkids living with her and this house was not safe nor hygienic for them. The mold alone--I wore a respirator type mask when I tackled that. She laughed at me for being a 'wuss'.
As much as we want our parents to be independent (and in their mid-60's? You have possibly 25 more years of this!. But sometimes you HAVE to step in and get stuff fixed.
My DH wants to be the fixer-upper and I always give him plenty of chances to fix whatever needs fixing as long as it isn't critical. Then when he shows he is never really going to do said project, I call a professional. If he gets angry, then he gets angry. Small problems can become huge if neglected long enough.
Do be kind as you do this--sometimes my kids will treat me like I am stupid--so be kind in your love & support.
He always did repairs that were needed. Then he stopped....
Looking back it was one of the "flags" that I should have picked up on when he was later diagnosed with dementia.
The repairs he said would have to wait "until I feel better", "when I am stronger" there was always a reason he could not do what needed to be done. Looking back I am sure he did not "know how" to go about the repairs that were needed.
So if mom and dad have usually been on top of things this might be something that has gotten out of control for them
Have either one been diagnosed with dementia?
How about other things like bills? hoarding? neglecting themselves?
I may be off base it could be as "simple" as they do not want to spend the money to do the repairs.
It might be time to step in and either you make the calls or you wait, and wait a bit longer. At some point the house could reach the point where it is no longer safe and you could have code enforcement in and they could order the repairs done. (from the sound of it is possible the house is at that point now)
If either has been diagnosed with dementia it might be time to step in and, if you are not POA obtain guardianship and then you can act in their best interest..
it’s one thing to have a widowed parent late 80’s / early 90’s who has some delayed maintenance on their home. But to be at this in their sixties, to me are red flags that there are way way more problems. I’d be concerned that if they don’t deal with house stuff that obvious, they may not be dealing with the other more subterranean things..... like being current & covered for property insurance, current on property taxes, paying thier bills, filing IRS / state taxes, doing renewals (like health insurance stuff).
Wanting to help them get repairs done is all well & good but before they or you go and invest time & $ or get indebted, get with them and go thru thier financials and insurance and tax situation to see if spending $ on the house makes sense. That sagging roofline might be structural damage and that’s a whole other solar system to get fixed.... we have friends who are going thru this from Hurricane Zeta in Oct and the costs are enormous and it’s not simple to do like a matching shingles repair job are. Depending on where you are, there could be a fee to do an estimate, like $75 for electric & plumber estimates, maybe for roofing co as well. But they apply it to your bill.
Also Have they done any legal? Like a DPOA, their wills or have one of the kids as a signatory on all bank accounts? Personally I’d discuss all this - like a come to Jesus meeting - with them after you get a bead on thier financials & have it with all the siblings by the end of January so at least 2021 is a new start for the situation.
Good luck, remember you don’t want to be dealing with this again at 70.... then at 80..... or horrors when their 90!
In some cases, mold can grow in the lungs causing aspergillosis pnuemonia, especially with a weakened immunity. Certain chronic lung conditions, such as emphysema or tuberculosis, can cause air cavities to form in the lungs which mold can grow.
Homes are extremely expensive to maintain, and judging from what you are saying it would cost in excess of $50,000+ to effect repairs. They may want to decide to sell the home and move elsewhere.
Leaking roof has to be repaired QUICKLY because the damage to the house will become astronomical.
Some older adults respond better when you appeal to their independence and self sufficiency, which they are beginning to lose.
Caring for senior parents has 2 realistic goals: maintain their safety and maintain their health. From your descriptions, their home fails your parents to achieve both goals.
Do you have powers of attorney for your parents' medical and financial affairs. If not, get them to an attorney and get those legal documents. While at the attorney, make sure your parents have wills and advanced directives. After you have the powers of attorney (POA), use them to get their home assessed for safety and assessed for repairs. You can help them make decisions about repair or move out after you and your parents know the true condition of their homes.
It also sounds like your parents may have some dementia or mental health issues. Please take them to the doctor so he/she can evaluate their physical, mental, and neurological health. He/she might make referrals to a neurologist for dementia evaluation and/or a psychiatrist for mental health evaluation and treatment. You will probably need to make the appointments and make sure your parents get to those appointments.
If you can't afford to pay yourself, then get a couple estimates on each item needing addressed starting with the roof and present it to them.
If they still have their wits about them they will either get it done or not and there is nothing you can do about it.
Maybe your parents don't have the money to get needed work done?
Do it yourself
Get Estimates
Hire someone
I could go along with early-onset dementia wrecking one parent's decision-making skills. But both of them?
I'm wondering if there is some hidden obstacle such as a financial mess that they've kept from you and don't know how to solve. When you and your brother talk to them, keep your ears open for what they're not telling you!
Maybe find help to fix their home & present it in a way that doesn't sound like you're taking their independence away from them or criticizing .. only helping them. Be creative with reasons like ... cause they're so busy, you have access to more internet options and/or contacts, you just want to be sure & ensure their safety, etc... you get the idea .. and asking "please, let me do this for you.. it worries me" can also be helpful. It's a balancing act we all go through in matters like this. They do not want to be perceived as being incapable or needing help or face being moved from their home ~ scary for them and anyone.
You say they can take care of themselves but not their home's needs. This is when you have to not let yourself be fooled into thinking things like this, imho & experience. These are signs, friend. Please be sure to get them to authorize you on their bank accounts and bills so you can better help them as things may likely progress. Soon you will likely need to help them move to their next step in their lives, and thank God you're there to do this.
Oh, and in case you haven't thought of it, Mom may need help with feeding them and grocery shopping. She may be having troubles (under the radar stuff). If you can arrange Meals on Wheels & grocery deliveries & Rx deliveries, these are helpful while transitioning.
All the best to you.
My brother and I are planning to discuss this with them tomorrow, and will definitely take your advice to be creative with offering ways to help them. I think (hope!) that will go over well.
I think what you can do to help is offer to make the calls or do the research for them online. Thumbtack is a good resource for small jobs, Angie's List for larger jobs, and their homeowners insurance is a good source of roofer referrals. In fact, their homeowners insurance will go DOWN if they get a new roof. Maybe if you mention that to your folks it will be a good incentive to look into repairs. Needless to say, mold is dangerous to their health. You can even buy a mold test kit yourself at Home Depot:
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk03mqNedZLIQ5lsz5QuHt3MFCEIzNA%3A1608848946535&source=hp&ei=MhblX-yJHo6qtQbxo6_4Dw&q=mold+test+kit+home+depot&oq=mold+test+kit&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgBMgUIABCxAzICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADoECCMQJzoFCAAQkQI6CAgAELEDEIMBOg4ILhCxAxCDARDHARCjAjoLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6BAgAEEM6BAguEEM6BwgAELEDEEM6BwguELEDEEM6CgguELEDEIMBEAo6BQgAEMkDOggILhDHARCvAVDKDViBL2CuO2gAcAB4AYABqgOIAdgTkgEJMy41LjIuMi4xmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab
Last but not least, you may want to appeal to your father about the repairs if your mother is emotionally unequipped to deal with the matter. If you offer to MAKE the calls FOR him and set up the appointments, even be there for the estimates, he may be more open to the idea.
If not, you have one final recourse: let your dad know his homeowners insurance MAY be cancelled due to the condition of the house & lack of repairs. Read this article:
https://www.thebalance.com/insurance-canceled-lacking-repairs-2645716
If he tries to file a claim and an inspector comes to the house and SEES the condition it's in, his insurance can easily be cancelled & that's a serious problem.
Good luck! If they're acting like this in their mid-60's, I hate to think what you'll be facing in 10 or 20 years from now. :(
My brother and I are planning to approach them about this tomorrow (didn’t want it to sour the holiday) and you’ve given us the steps to put together a great action plan. Thank you again.